$35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Whats been spotted in and around our Navy
User avatar
MikeJames
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1391
Joined: 20 Jan 2010 09:43
Fleet Base: Sydney
My Ship Yard: RAN DDL HMAS Kokoda
Australian Coast Guard cutter Nemesis
RAN FCPB HMAS Wollongong
German SAR Launch DGzRS Berln
SS Geest Atlas (Building)
Location: Sydney
Contact:

$35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby MikeJames » 03 Apr 2017 14:46

$35 billion Future Frigate Tender
(Source: Australian Minister for Defence Industry; issued March 31, 2017)

Image
The launch of the Australian Future Frigate tender opens a three-way competition between BAE Systems’ Type 26 design, Fincantieri’s FREMM frigate (illustrated) and a new variant of Navantia’s F-100 frigate. (Italian navy photo)

The $35 billion Future Frigate project reached a significant milestone today with the release of the Request for Tender (RFT) to the three shortlisted designers; BAE, Fincantieri and Navantia.

Minister for Defence Industry, the Hon Christopher Pyne MP, said the Future Frigate project is currently the largest frigate shipbuilding program of its kind in the world.

“Today’s announcement shows the Government is on track to begin construction of the Future Frigates in 2020 in Adelaide,” Minister Pyne said.

“The release of the RFT is an important part of the Competitive Evaluation Process which will lead to the Government announcing the successful designer for the Future Frigates in 2018.”

Minister Pyne said evaluation of the responses to the Future Frigate RFT would commence later this year.

“Three designers—BAE Systems with the Type 26 Frigate, Fincantieri with the FREMM Frigate, and Navantia with a redesigned F100, have been working with Defence since August 2015 to refine their designs.

“The three shortlisted designers must demonstrate and develop an Australian supply chain to support Australia's future shipbuilding industry, and also how they will leverage their local suppliers into global supply chains.

“The Government is committed to maximising Australian industry opportunities and participation and this project will contribute to building a sustainable Australian shipbuilding workforce.”

The Future Frigates are the next generation of naval surface combatants and would conduct more challenging maritime warfare operations in our regions including delivering a greater impact on anti-submarine operations.

The frigates will also be equipped with a range of offensive and self-protection systems.

The nine Future Frigates are part of the Government’s $89 billion national shipbuilding endeavour which would see Australia develop a strong and sustainable naval shipbuilding industry.

This critical investment will generate significant economic growth and sustain thousands of Australian jobs over decades.

-ends-
rritchie71
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 799
Joined: 27 Jan 2010 12:59
Fleet Base: Perth
My Ship Yard: HMAS Adelaide (LHD), USS Roosevelt, USS Anzio, RFS Peter the Great, Scharnhorst, HMAS Melbourne, HMAS Sydney (AWD), ITS Carlo Bergamini, HNLMS Evertsen, HMS Middelton, HMS Severn, RFS Arkangelsk, Fairplay 30, Normand Master, Fure West

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby rritchie71 » 03 Apr 2017 20:43

Hmmm, wonder who will get it.

The Italian Fremm is the only class of ship in the short list that actually exists and has a very good reputation to go with it. Although that didn't count for much when it came to the LHD and submarine selection.

From what I have heard, their are a lot of major changes between the AWD config and the proposed version of the F100 for this bid. So it is seen as almost a conceptional design, combined with the loss of skill set from Victoria and NSW where modules were also manufactured. This means their is not a lot of advantage to selecting the F100 from a building perspective. Although supply chain may have an advantage when it comes to sustainment.

Robert
User avatar
BsHvyCgn9
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1721
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 18:33
Fleet Base: Gulf Waters
My Ship Yard: USS Long Beach CGN9
USS California CGN36
USS John Paul Jones DDG53
USS Saipan LHA2
USS Shark SSN591
USS Albany CG10
Location: Adelaide

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby BsHvyCgn9 » 03 Apr 2017 22:34

plus they have been giving a stack of workers here the boot too! so much for the continuous build concept! The frigate project will have same problems as AWDs did because they will have to train a whole new set of shipbuilders....unless they can get the ones given the shaft to come back :oops1: :oops1:

B2
User avatar
MikeJames
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1391
Joined: 20 Jan 2010 09:43
Fleet Base: Sydney
My Ship Yard: RAN DDL HMAS Kokoda
Australian Coast Guard cutter Nemesis
RAN FCPB HMAS Wollongong
German SAR Launch DGzRS Berln
SS Geest Atlas (Building)
Location: Sydney
Contact:

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby MikeJames » 17 Apr 2017 17:43

Future Frigates Fleet will begin construction in 2020, says Christopher Pyne
By Defence reporter Andrew Greene, ABC

There are growing doubts within Defence and among industry figures about the ambitious goal to start "cutting steel" on Australia's Future Frigates Fleet within three years, but the Government is remaining confident construction will begin in 2020.

"When it's finished we'll have the most modern anti-submarine warfare destroyers in the world," Defence Industry Minister Christopher Pyne said.

Three international shipbuilders are competing for the $35 billion project, which the Minister has hinted could be awarded within a few months in order for construction to begin by 2020.

Spanish shipbuilder Navantia is offering an evolved version of the Hobart-class destroyer, Italy's Fincantieri warship would require some local modifications and the United Kingdom's BAE is proposing its cutting-edge Type 26 design frigate, which is yet to be built.

"The anticipated timeframe for the announcements around the Future Frigates was (the) second quarter of 2018, I'm very confident that we'll be able to bring that forward and there will be earlier decisions — but I'd rather under-promise and over-deliver the time," Mr Pyne said.

"What I'm trying to do as Defence Industry Minister is reduce as many of the lead times as possible, to give the successful tenderer as much time as possible to prepare to cut steel in 2020 and I think that can be done and Defence is working very well with me to make that happen".
Experts worried about 'too tight' timeframe

Project SEA 5000 — at a glance
Future Frigate Options:
Spain's Navantia: An adaptation of the F-100 air warfare destroyer
Italy's Fincantieri: A version of a FREMM (multi-mission frigate)
United Kingdom's BAE Systems: The yet to be built Type 26 Global Combat Ship

Combat Management Options:
SAAB's locally developed 9LV system (already integrated with the government-mandated CEA radar)
Lockheed Martin's Aegis System

However senior officials within the Defence department, and numerous industry figures, have told the ABC they are concerned the push to start "cutting steel" on the complex warships will be too tight.

Leading Defence expert Andrew Davies from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute shares the concerns.

"The history of complex projects shows that the more mature the design is, the higher the percentage of drawings you have finalised and signed off before you start, the better the outcome is. And I worry a little bit that we're going to have to rush," Mr Davies said.

"That timeframe looks a little bit too tight for comfort.

"Now ultimately it's an engineering decision that somebody has to make but I do worry that it might get trumped by the politics of the shipyards."

The SEA 5000 project will also involve the selection of a cutting-edge combat management system, which will need to incorporate the government-mandated and locally-manufactured CEA radar.

The two companies selected to compete are SAAB Australia, which is offering the locally-developed 9LV combat management system that has already been integrated with the CEA radar, and American giant Lockheed Martin which is proposing its Aegis system.

Before a final ship design is announced, a decision on the combat management system will be made, but the Defence Industry Minister is giving no hints on a preferred option.

"We have great capability in Australia, there's no doubt about that. There's also great capability in the United States and where the United States has the best capability, the best value for money and proven Australian Industry Content (AIC), well they should be just as competitive as anybody else in the world," Mr Pyne said.
User avatar
RussF172
Life Member
Life Member
Posts: 808
Joined: 08 Feb 2010 08:53
Fleet Base: Hunter Central
My Ship Yard: USS WINSTON S. CHURCHILL (DDG-81)
HMAS HOBART (DDGH-39)
HMAS CANBERRA (LHD-02)
HMAS NEWCASTLE (FFG-06)
HMAS ARUNTA (FFH-151)
WRS RUSHCUTTER (A-51) Weapon Recovery/Training/Drone launch ship
Location: Uralla, NSW
Contact:

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby RussF172 » 18 Apr 2017 13:27

I reckon and announcement will be made at PACIFIC 2017 which is a Darling Harbour Convention Centre in early October. Announce it when they are all there on the world stage.
User avatar
MikeJames
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1391
Joined: 20 Jan 2010 09:43
Fleet Base: Sydney
My Ship Yard: RAN DDL HMAS Kokoda
Australian Coast Guard cutter Nemesis
RAN FCPB HMAS Wollongong
German SAR Launch DGzRS Berln
SS Geest Atlas (Building)
Location: Sydney
Contact:

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby MikeJames » 19 Apr 2017 08:27

Probably, it'll get an international splash there.

Mike
User avatar
SlatsSSN
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 951
Joined: 21 Jan 2010 10:25
Fleet Base: None
My Ship Yard: Fleet - in service and under construction

Submarines:
HMS Triumph S93 - Trafalgar Class SSN.
HMS Conqueror S48 -Churchill Class SSN.

Merchants:
MS Bremen -Expedition Cruise Ship Hapag-Lloyd Cruises.
Harbour Tugs x 3.
MS Christina O.
MV Titan Uranus - Coastal Cargo.

Warships:
HDMS Peter Willemoes F362 - Iver Huitfeldt-Class Frigate.
Location: Sydney

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby SlatsSSN » 23 Apr 2017 17:56

I fired off a letter to MoD - asking for transparency in how they arrived at the last three. Strangely they sent back a RAND corporation study in full - in a 250 page book that retails for $49.50 - which is a weird and costly way of answering a Ministerial. Of course this didn't answer my question as to why the Dane's were excluded but reinforced the fact that according to the RAND study they should have been included. - Yes this is a govt operation - so lest I am so surprised (not). :censor:

We will never know why we got the last 3 (particularly the T26), which I think is a patsy - used purely to make up comparable numbers to cost, and then say it was excluded when it never had a chance as an unbuilt - unproven and costly design. But as Defence has a $35bn credit card - let's see how fast they max it out and ask for a credit limit increase. :crs: So wanting to place a bet it is in my view a 2 horse race.

J
He who dies with the most toys, just dies...you can't take it with you.
User avatar
BsHvyCgn9
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1721
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 18:33
Fleet Base: Gulf Waters
My Ship Yard: USS Long Beach CGN9
USS California CGN36
USS John Paul Jones DDG53
USS Saipan LHA2
USS Shark SSN591
USS Albany CG10
Location: Adelaide

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby BsHvyCgn9 » 23 Apr 2017 22:41

If it was a game show it would be titled "It's a Cock up....." (possibly with series 3 or 4 tacked on :crs: :crs: :crs: :crs: )

B2
kimwhite
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 412
Joined: 05 Feb 2010 18:32
Fleet Base: Victoria
My Ship Yard: HMS Heather (Flower Corvette 1942, under construction), HMS Glamorgan 1981 (under construction)

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby kimwhite » 30 May 2017 11:52

Surely the most decisive criterion will be "which is the most marginal Govt Seat we can build these ships in?".
Don't worry about any other difficulties. Future issues aren't a consideration because it will be another Defence Minister or even another Govt when the manure hits the air conditioner.
Votes Now is what it is about.
Call me cynical.
Cheers
Kim
User avatar
MikeJames
Club Member
Club Member
Posts: 1391
Joined: 20 Jan 2010 09:43
Fleet Base: Sydney
My Ship Yard: RAN DDL HMAS Kokoda
Australian Coast Guard cutter Nemesis
RAN FCPB HMAS Wollongong
German SAR Launch DGzRS Berln
SS Geest Atlas (Building)
Location: Sydney
Contact:

Re: $35 billion Future Frigate Tender

Postby MikeJames » 30 May 2017 12:33

The decision about where to build them was never in doubt, Adelaide was chosen because it provides the most bang for the marginal seat buck.

Mike

Return to “Australian Navy”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users