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New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 22 Aug 2012 09:31
by RussF172
They seem to be getting uglier each time they design one. This is the new Type 26 Frigate just approved by the Ministry of Defence for the RN. Lots of comments already flying around about the design. No news on weapons apart from what can be seen which appears to be a 57mm gun (maybe 4.5inch) and a PHALANX CIWS. Probably VLS, SSM and Torpedoes all hidden under the stealthy superstructure.

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 22 Aug 2012 16:50
by thunderchild
Good Day All

I agree, modern ships are getting uglier. See link below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19312378

Richard

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 22 Aug 2012 20:36
by MichaelB
The bow looks like it has been knicked from a Type 23.

Why not build a frigate variant on the Type 45 hull. The the problems would have been sorted out, room for expansion & a tried hull. Surely would be cheaper.

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 23 Aug 2012 10:10
by SlatsSSN
MichaelB wrote:The bow looks like it has been knicked from a Type 23.

Why not build a frigate variant on the Type 45 hull. The the problems would have been sorted out, room for expansion & a tried hull. Surely would be cheaper.


Indeed - but alas such common sense is absent in the UK's cost cutting measures.
i.e.e.g - Trashing at below spare parts cost - brand new and or newly updated Harriers.

Biggest problem I have with the look of this ship is the hull. Looks likes its been influenced by the Brandenburg Class (yes I know that's quite different).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_class_frigate But to me it looks very Germanic, - not a good look for RN. Bit like Jaguar releasing a new car that was dead ringer for an M5.

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 24 Aug 2012 20:17
by MikeJames
She actually looks a lot like a Type 21 run through the 'stealth CAD program'

Similar in shape, layout and looks, just steath-ised. (Yes, I know that's not a word, bite me.)

Mike

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 20 Jul 2017 20:12
by littoralcombat
Just announced, the first RN Type 26 Frigate will be named HMS Glasgow. So looks like it will likely be a Class of 'Cities'. Hopefully my Home Town of Plymouth will get a look-in. Maybe another Sheffield and Coventry? :tup:

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 20 Jul 2017 23:12
by MikeJames
Latest info is that the RN hopes to have a surface to surface missile to place on her by the time the first one commissions.

They are taking Harpoon out of service without a replacement, instead pinning their hopes on an Anglo-French design in collaboration with MBDA.

Most optimistic forecast is first tests in three years with in-service in five years. More likely, five to test and seven+ to be available for fitting to these ships.

Why they couldn't do what we did and spend a whole $30m on Block II upgrade kits for the existing Block 1C Harpoon missiles to extend their lives significantly, I have no idea.

Mike

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 21 Jul 2017 08:36
by phillip08
Things should get exciting on the Frigate project very soon, the full tenders are due in early next month. Its down to a three way race - Navantia, Fincantieri & BAE-Systems.
Looking a the media articles that have started to appear this week on both the Frigates and the OPV's the battle is going to be hard fought and way to close to guess at the outcome.

Regards
Phil

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 22 Jul 2017 13:26
by rritchie71
I look forward to seeing the outcome Phil.
Whilst I have my own favorite, more than anything I am happy we are building up the RAN fleet again. Not to mention the modelling options this creates for us....:)

Robert

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 23 Jul 2017 12:50
by MikeJames
I wouldn't exactly call it building up the RAN.

The OPVs won't be 'real' warships, with extremely limited armament and command and control capabilities, in effect oversized Armidale replacements with a helo capability (and who in their right mind builds a ship that large and doesn't fit a hangar?).

Sticking to real warships then a few years ago we had 6 x FFG and 8 x Anzac = 14 frigates.

Right now we have 8 x Anzac and 3 x FFG = 11 frigates

In a few years we will 3 x AWD and 8 x Anzac = 11 frigates (The AWD is really a frigate)

In a decade or more we will have 3 x AWD and 9 x Future Frigates = 12 frigates.

Hardly building it up.

Mike

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 24 Jul 2017 14:50
by rritchie71
Thanks Mike.

Keep us in the loop of what happens Phil, look forward to reading about it.

Cheers

Robert

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 26 Jul 2017 09:05
by MikeJames
A bit of a reality check for the Type 26.

The UK is paying over 1.5 billion pounds per boat for the capability to take a single gun and a yet to be developed short range surface to air missile system to sea.

The ships have no surface to surface missile system with Harpoon leaving service, the Phalanx is currently scheduled to be removed from service prior to the first Type 26 entering service while the ASW torpedoes are only coming available as they are stripped from Type 23 frigates as they don't have either new torpedoes nor launchers, nor the money to pay for them.

Oh and the gun is likely to be recycled from the Type 23 frigates as well, because the UK can't afford to develop or build a new gun, instead going with a refurbished weapon which dates back to the 1960s. The guns from the Type 23s to be fitted to the Type 26s are from the earliest ships to be decomissioned and thus will only be 35 years old when fitted.

The helicopters to operate off them are the new Lynx Wildcats, so at least there's something.

How in gods name did the Royal Navy get itself into this mess?

MIke

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 13 Aug 2017 17:54
by southerncrossmodels
Hi Mike,

World Wars 1 and 2 broke the British treasury and her world power, it's all been down hill from there (for her defence forces at least).

Her defence forces are going backwards to being in proportion to her size as a nation, I believe. Like she was before the Romans invaded. ;)

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 13 Dec 2018 02:30
by littoralcombat
All the names of the eight RN Type 26 City Class Frigates are now confirmed as:

HMS Glasgow
HMS Cardiff
HMS Belfast
HMS Birmingham
HMS Sheffield
HMS Newcastle
HMS London
HMS Edinburgh

Some history there, nice to see Sheffield, but Coventry missed out (as did my hometown of Plymouth :no: ).
Nige

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 16 Jan 2019 21:04
by MikeJames
An interesting piece of concept art, the Type 26 design shown next to the WW2 cruiser Belfast which rests in the Thames across from the Tower of London.

That's a really...large frigate.

Image

Mike

Re: New Type 26 Frigate for RN

Posted: 09 Feb 2020 11:03
by littoralcombat
A few months old now (Sept 2019), but an interesting report from DSEI 2019 in London.
The TX Ship,specifically the concept behind it, is something the US Navy is looking at for the future. Autonomous platforms.

Watch the video fourth image down.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... alf-built/

Nige