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Postby MichaelB » 29 Jun 2018 15:07

In that case they will all be names of aboriginal hunters?

BTW, the wine lobby is very powerful.
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Postby MikeJames » 29 Jun 2018 15:46

I know, I've had to deal with them (the wine lobby) a couple of times in this job.
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Postby mphams70 » 29 Jun 2018 21:19

Navy’s future frigates will be known as ‘Hunter Class’ with the Chief of Navy confirming the first of the Hunter Class Guided Missile Frigates (FFG) to be commissioned in the late 2020s.

In a signal to all Navy personnel, Vice Admiral Barrett said class name was chosen to reflect the tradition of naming RAN ships that promote Navy’s bond with the Nation. In this case, the first three ships of the Hunter class will proudly carry the names of three major Australian regions, all with strong historical maritime and naval ties.

The first batch of three will be named HMA Ships Flinders (II) (SA region named for explorer Captain Matthew Flinders - first circumnavigation of Australia and identified it as a continent); Hunter (NSW region named for Vice-Admiral John Hunter – first fleet Captain and 2nd Governor of NSW); and Tasman (state and sea named for explorer Abel Tasman – first known European explorer to reach Tasmania, New Zealand and Fiji).

The class name was specifically chosen for the alternate interpretation of a ‘hunter’ personifying the role of the frigates as a submarine hunter, with the term embodying the pursuit of prey.

"The replacement of our eight Anzac Class Frigates with nine frigates optimised for anti-submarine warfare…will significantly enhance the lethality of our surface combatant capabilities," CN said.

"These ships will incorporate world class design factors and integrated systems…that will change the way we conduct anti-submarine warfare operations. Our interoperability as a joint force and with our allies will improve."

As a result of the construction and delivery drumbeat, the Anzac Class frigates currently in operation will be in service through to the early 2040s. CN said the future frigate announcement is a game changer for Navy, the ADF and defence industry. "Beyond the frigate design, this decision demonstrates that Navy is an intrinsic national capability that connects the private and public sectors to deliver a fundamental national objective – security above, on and under the sea."
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Postby scott154 » 30 Jun 2018 05:06

Thanks guys a great read from all posts. :tup: Scott
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Postby MikeJames » 30 Jun 2018 08:28

And a small reminder, these frigates are actually slightly longer, slightly wider and significantly heavier than the Hobart classs destroyer.

Length
150m v 147m

Beam
20.8m v 18.6m

Displacement
8,800 v 7,700 tonnes full load

They are not small vessels. To put this into perspective, they are not much smaller than the Navy's WW2 light cruiser Sydney (8,900 tonnes, 160m x 17m)

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Postby rritchie71 » 30 Jun 2018 17:47

Well, I have to admit I did not expect that, considering the last two classes commissioned (the QE’s have not been around long enough yet to evaluate) have not worked, i.e. due to engineering issues, both the Astutes and Type 45’s have not achieved anywhere near the availability rates that were stated in the paper designs that where sold to the RN. In the end it doesn’t matter how good the weapons and sensors are if they cannot put to sea.

We really do seem to like taking the risky options, at least it looks good.

Tonnage is not the deciding factor of a frigate or destroyer designation, it is what it is built to fight in, i.e
An OPV or corvette is built for low intensity warfare
A Frigate medium intensity
Destroyer/cruiser for high intensity

The Hobart class are built for high intensity, these frigates will no doubt be more towards the ‘medium’, the tonnage probably is because the more stable the hull the better it can hunt and have room for mods over time, remember the UK’s back yard are the northern seas, it's not known for it's calm weather.


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Postby MikeJames » 01 Jul 2018 16:16

Actually, I believe that the RAN has embraced the modern NATO standard designation of Frigates as primarily ASW purposed ships and Destroyers being primarily AAW orientated ships.

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Postby rritchie71 » 01 Jul 2018 19:15

Hi Mike, it would be funny if they did, as Nato countries didn't adopt it and it has been around for a very long time, i.e.

The Zeven Provincien’s, F100’s and Saschen’s are all AAW focused, (Zeven Provincien and F100 are also BMD capable), but for political purposes in the early 2000’s were all classed as frigates and don’t forget the Horizon AAW class, 4 identical ships, 2 for Italy which are referred to as destroyers and 2 for France, which are referred to as frigates.

Even the USN with the Spruance destroyers which were ASW focused and the French Georges Leygues ASW destroyers (although they have also been refferred to as Frigates as well).

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Postby SlatsSSN » 01 Jul 2018 20:58

MikeJames wrote:Actually, I believe that the RAN has embraced the modern NATO standard designation of Frigates as primarily ASW purposed ships and Destroyers being primarily AAW orientated ships.

Mike


Yep agree. But I also think ASW capability was moved up a few notches in importance from the original SEA 5000 spec.
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Postby mphams70 » 03 Jul 2018 21:32

Are we getting rid of Flag Wavers now?
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Postby RussF172 » 04 Jul 2018 08:50

NEVER!!!!!! I just don't think they all the details for things such as yardarms, signal lights etc. They will be there somewhere. The AWD drawings didn't have signal lights noted on there either but they are there (four of them). Be assure is we get to build the models of them, they will have yardarms, halyards and signal lights. :yes: The plans for the CANBERRA didn't have those details on them either but I took some artistic license and fitted flag bins on the sides of the superstructure just forward of the central main mast and they must have liked the idea as they actually put them where I put them on the model. Maybe I should do this on the Type 26 and they will follow my lead.

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Postby mphams70 » 04 Jul 2018 10:48

Russ French, Naval Architect and Flag Waver extraordinaire.
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mphams70 wrote:Russ French, Naval Architect and Flag Waver extraordinaire.



:lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :tup: :tup:
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BsHvyCgn9 wrote:
mphams70 wrote:Russ French, Naval Architect and Flag Waver extraordinaire.



:lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :tup: :tup:


Russ obviously didn't have any input on the Zumwalt class :D
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rritchie71 wrote:
BsHvyCgn9 wrote:
mphams70 wrote:Russ French, Naval Architect and Flag Waver extraordinaire.



:lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :tup: :tup:


Russ obviously didn't have any input on the Zumwalt class :D


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Postby glenhowells » 24 Nov 2018 18:47

Was thinking three other names for the last 3 frigates Darwin, Melbourne and Newcastle will all be well overdue for naming by the time the last 3 are built. May seam odd but they named the last Anzac Perth that was a bit odd to. Anyway just a thought.

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Postby MikeJames » 25 Nov 2018 10:59

Future Navy

Hobart, Brisbane & Sydney - AWD
Hunter, Flinders & Tasman - Frigates (other potentials include Bass, Mawson, (Kingsford) Smith, Oxley, Blaxland, Lawson, Wentworth, Burke, Wills, Hume, Hovell)
Adelaide & Canberra - LHD
Stalwart & Supply - AOR
Arafura - OPV (other potentials include Carpentaria, Coral, Timor, St Vincent, Spencer, Shark etc)

That will leave Darwin, Melbourne, Newcastle and Perth as major cities with no RAN ship bearing their name.

I'm pretty sure that Glen is right and later Hunter class willl toss the announced naming conventions and pick up the city names.

Shame that so many smaller towns will lose that Navy relationship, places like Wollongong and Geelong, after being carried by the Bathurst class, the Fremantles and the Armidales.

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Postby glenhowells » 25 Nov 2018 12:58

I'm not sure about all these new names. I'm a big believer in the history of a ships name carrying on a ships name to a new vessel is a way of keeping that history of ship and crew alive. Australian ship names plenty to choose from without adding new ones. Plenty of destroyer and frigate names that have not been a float for decades. The Bathurst class corvettes all served in WW2 all 50 of them deserve to be reborn in new ships. It's to keep history and honour alive. There is no greater honour for a navy to name a ship to carry on previous names I think is the right thing to do.
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Postby MikeJames » 25 Nov 2018 14:31

I personally cannot understand it, it's a direct snub to a lot of cities and towns in marginal seats.

As Admiral Rickover answered when he was asked why he stopped naming subs after fish and started naming them after cities..."Fish don't vote"
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Postby fastone045 » 04 Dec 2018 12:26

Found these photos on the Navies website of a nice looking model of the new OPV.

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Postby RussF172 » 04 Dec 2018 16:48

That poor model is getting bounced around all over the place. I see they haven't fixed the broken bits off it last time is was moved. Had to fix some stuff on it at Pacific last year. Bet it will still be doing the rounds at Pacific next year.

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